A long night …

This night I changed my computer from Fedora away to SUSE. It was quite easy, and at the moment the most things are running well.

Ok, there were some things I had to do by myself, for example installing flash and copying the libs were they had to go, but that will change when openSUSE will develop itself more and more.

The only thing which is still missing is the ati driver. But I will do this later, now I am happy that even skype seems to run with arts wrapper!

And, sure, one of the first things I did was installing KDE 3.5 Beta 1. Sure, these packages are unsupported, and it is a kind of risky, but it works very well (although I do not have any superkaramba binary yet, and although I do not see any effect when I choose the elegant style for kicker).

But now I have a working and stable system, and that is what I need, especially now because there is someone visiting me for several days, and I will not find very much time for the computer πŸ™‚

Suse or Fedora?

I am at a position where I am not sure if I want to switch my system.
Sure, “never change a running system”, but I am a technic enthusiast, and therefore very curious if the new openSuse would fit my needs.
And I am a kind of disappointed by Fedora :-/

First, the reasons why I am disappointed:

KDE – I use KDE as my main desktop, and I really like the way KDE works, the possibilities and the idea behind it – to give an example: I can’t work properly with a system which does not provide something like web-shortcuts and the kio-slaves.
But Fedora supports KDE only a little bit – the main desktop is GNOME, all important tools are written in GNOME, and everything is focused on GNOME. You can only get a real good KDE desktop when you add the packages by the kde-redhat project.
Sure, Rex Dieter, the maintainer of the project, does a great job, but you realize very fast that he is just one of many people, that he can’t do everything. And he has much to do, so I would never get for example KDE 3.5 Beta 1 packages, and I really enjoy testing new software.
And at the moment the most KDE add on packages are compiled for kubuntu or Suse, first, normally you have to compile it for Fedora for yourself…

Configuration Tools – Fedora has some nice configuration tools, but I really love centralized configuration tools – like kcontrol, which has everything that you need. And so yast is almost perfect – you can configure almost everything, especially servers on your system. That’s very nice…

Graphic Card Drivers
As far as I know the update of kernels and graphic card drivers is quite fast and easy with Suse – sure, it is still quite easy and fast with Fedora, but only if you know what you have to do – first wait until livna releases the updated driver packages and then input a special command line to get the new drivers.
I do not fear the command line, but I like it to ghand over all non interesting tasks to a gui. That’s where guis are made for! And yast solves this problem for me, as fasr as I know (not at the moemnt, but it will does in the final release).

Project Aim
As far as I know Fedora Core is not focussing on the desktop – the declared aim of Red Hat is not (!) the consumer desktop.
Suse, on the other hand has the aim to provide a Linux which can be used everywhere – especially as standard user desktop.

These are the reasons which are speaking for Suse…
Sure, there are some reasons for Fedora, too – and these are very good reasons, too!

The most packages in the net are actually build for Fedora or Red Hat. And especially the Fedora Extras project does a great job on providing lots of packages to the Fedora Community. Suse has nothing comparable at the moment, there are only several different projects which build up their own software – with all the problems about compatibility you get.
And I do not know what is planned in the land of suse about that – it would be very nioce to have something similar, an extras repository. But if they start to build up a extras repository I would ask why they are not putting Fedora and Suse extras together (where it is possible)…

Sometimes I like it to go through the configuration files – and I am not sure if Suse changes them so much that they are not as they should be. It was never a problem in Fedora I experienced – which depends on the fact that there are just a few configuration tools you have…

That’s the situation at the moment – I just do not know what to do next. But I think I will wait until Suse releases the final version, because than there will be standard support for ati and my wlan card implemented.
And after that – I do not know :-/
I really want to switch to KDE 3.5 because of a bug that prevents using icq with kopete, but I don’t want to compile it by myself…
And it would be very nice to know in which direction the openSuse project will evolve… a clear message how they will manage the packages compiled by other people would be nice!

But at the moment it looks like I have to wait until the 6th of october – when openSuse is released. And because of the fact that I will have better things to do around this date my switch will come later – maybe πŸ™‚


After searching a long time, I finally got the needed information for the article in the german Wikipedia:

It’s spelled SUSE LINUX, not SuSE LINUX.

I found this information through the FAQ of the opensuse project page: they link to goodbyedots, which gives a nice and short histroy over the development of the Spelling of the name and over the changings of the logo, the SUSE chameleon.

And so now its clear, it has to be SUSE LINUX, or, to be really correct:


I now that this information is not really important, but sometimes you end up in stupid fightings about nothing in the Wikipedia, so I wanted to clear this case forever – and maybe there are some people outside who are confused about the writing with dots and without the dots and with a small u and a large U and a chameleon looking to the right and a chameleon looking to the left and and and πŸ™‚ – community packages?

I am not sure how suse wants to involve more developers to package more packages for them. I searched around awhile, but was not able to find something about it.

There are several projects listed on the wiki-page, but I can’t see if you can submit packages as a developer directly to the base repository, or if there will be something like a “extras” repository as we are used to from fedora, or how it will work.

Suse is very interesting for me, so I am thinking about switching to it (yes, I know, it would be the third switch in one year: fedora->Mandrake->Fedora->Suse) because Suse is really easy to use and you don’t have to bother with other things. And the kde support of fedora still sucks…

But I wouldn’t switch as long as the package situation around suse doesn’t changes. But if there would be a second, large repository with something around 2.000 packages (like extras has) than I would think about it, and would maybe give it a try…

But there is still enough time, I think there will be some more clear information available when suse 10.0 is released. But if anyone of my imaginery readers knows something, just drop a note πŸ™‚